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Episode 150, everyone.

You know, Neil, I, before we get into it, I want to mention, I spoke with Katie Stevens of MakeCrate and we're going to

insert a small segment that I did with her here into the podcast but one of the things that I'm really excited about and really

encouraged by is what I see as efforts like hers that are about making STEM, science, technology, engineering, mathematics,

something that's sustainable throughout the year.

This week has been Computer Science Education Week, and Apple's done the hour of code

kind of thing and all kinds of people pushing their their raspberry pie kits

their arjournow kits and things like that but they the difficulty that I have

with those things that they tend to be singular events that everyone forgets about after the week is over.

And it's very important for me that we understand where future engineers and future

developers come from and and encourage that it was that's why it was so

rewarding to talk with with Katie Stevens about make great yeah it. You know, this is something that Apple's been very invested as well, you know, not just the hour of code, but with Swift Playgrounds and you know, there's these apps and toys and games out now where you can use

SWIFT to learn to code and program you know a robot to do stuff in your house and

all that stuff is really cool and it's exciting. I think that you know stuff like Swift

playgrounds obviously simplifies it in a way that makes it so that it's accessible to

people and then as you want to get into more enthusiast hobbyist, a little more hands-on with the building aspect

of the hardware, Make Create is a good option for that kind of stuff as well.

So I just, it's exciting and I think it's good to get kids interested in this stuff and

do it in a way that's very practical you know for myself when when I was a kid I

sought out that kind of stuff but when you're in school a lot of times the math and

and the way they teach you the math is not very exciting and so to have it done in a way

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