Greetings, dear listeners.

This is Jonah Goldberg of the Remnant Podcast. Happy Thanksgiving to everybody.

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We would, in fact, be thankful for to you if you did.

So, this episode came together at the last minute because one, I got to get a town for Thanksgiving.

And two, I wanted to do a Thanksgiving episode.

And I thought the perfect person to do this was a guy who's so sharp he can't shake his hands without getting a paper cut.

My friend and technically kind of like my boss now.

Boss is love when you say technically.

Well, you know, I'm a free spirit.

But yes, you are not only technically my supervisor, my major Doma, whatever.

You've all of in who is the head of what is the division called?

I run the Research Division for Social, Cultural, and Constitutional Studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

That's right.

And you were the second guest or the second podcast ever, right?

I think that's right.

So you were on the second podcast you might have.

No, because I think the first podcast had been sass was on first.

Yes, right. So we're going back to the well here.

And one of the reasons I thought you'd be the perfect person to do this is I've always been indebted to you for a long time for making one of these arguments.

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