Hello, it's Jack here.

I'm really excited to share that I'll soon be launching a new YouTube video series,

interviewing previous guests from the Pansidecast along with many new faces.

The series launches at the end of March,

so head over to YouTube.com forward slash at Dr. Jack Symes

or simply search Dr Jack Symes on YouTube

to subscribe and make sure you're ready for the first release.

In the meantime, I'll be releasing a few of these episodes

here on the Pan Sidecast, starting with a conversation today with me and Dr. Vitsamini on the relationship between beauty and veganism.

Normal service will resume in a couple of weeks' time here on the PansaiCast, but until then, please do subscribe.

That's Dr. Jack Symes on YouTube and enjoy this special audio preview.

Thank you again. I, welcome to the show.

Such a pleasure to be here. Thanks for inviting me.

No, thank you. You do some really cool work in the philosophy of arts, so it's good to set this up,

but also you're interested in ethics more generally, right?

And we were talking the other day at the pub and you told me that you're a pescatarian,

but you think veganism is the morally superior view.

How the hell does that work?

Yeah, that's right.

I mean, I don't work in ethics as a philosopher primarily, right?

As you said, I work in aesthetics.

So I obviously have some ethical instincts and I've always felt that

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