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The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Episode 152, 'God, Consciousness, and Fundamental Reality' with Philip Goff, David Godman, and Miri Albahari (Part II - Further Analysis and Discussion)

The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast

Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane

Education, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Courses

4.8 β€’ 612 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 22 February 2026

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Summary

The supreme being of classical theism is unlimited in power, knowledge, and goodness – a being distinct from the world, who creates it out of nothing and governs it from beyond. On this picture, we are not identical with God. God's consciousness is not our consciousness – and our identity is not theirs.

That picture has long been challenged by schools of Hindu philosophy and, more recently, by Western philosophies of religion that reject traditional conceptions of God. In response to the problem of evil, some philosophers now argue that if there is a creator, then that creator must be limited in power. Advaita's challenge is more radical. It doesn't just revise the traditional conception of God – it dissolves it. Where classical theism draws a sharp distinction between God and the world, Advaita says that reality is non-dual. The divine is not something separate from us or from the universe, but the underlying reality that appears as both.

To explore these competing visions of the supreme being, reality, and our place within it, I'm joined by three guests. Returning to The Panpsycast for the fifth time is Philip Goff, Professor of Philosophy at Durham University. As listeners will remember, Philip is the author of several brilliant books – including Galileo's Error and, more recently, Why? The Purpose of the Universe. David Godman is a leading author, best known for his work on the Hindu sage, Sri Ramana Maharshi. And last but not least, Miri Albahari is Senior Lecturer at The University of Western Australia – where her work explores the metaphysics and epistemology of Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta.

What is gained – and what is lost – when God is no longer unlimited, or is no longer separate from the world? Can these alternatives still ground mind, meaning, and morality? And by what means could we come to know such a reality – and decide between these rival conceptions of God?


This episode is generously supported by The John Templeton Foundation, through The Panpsychism and Pan(en)theism Project (62683).


Transcript

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0:00.0

Pan

0:02.0

Psychist

0:04.0

Part two further analyses and discussion.

0:22.5

Welcome back to the show.

0:24.4

I hope you've listened to the first installment of this podcast,

0:27.1

where David Goldman, Miri Albarari and Philip Goff,

0:30.4

we're discussing the nature of the supreme being from quite different perspectives.

0:35.8

And Philip ended the last installment by getting quite excited about Master Eka and the bubbling

0:41.3

up of creative energies.

0:43.7

David, you seemed equally as excited as Philip was discussing these ideas.

0:48.5

Do you want to pick up from where we left off?

0:50.7

Not picking up on the creative energies aspect, but I had a little flashback to sitting in

0:55.9

a cafe with Philip about 15 months ago in Durham when I was recommending that he read Meister

1:01.6

Eckhart. He followed up on that and sent me an email and I sent him a transcript of Eckart

1:07.8

stuff. I think it was a scribb to thing, so it wasn't very well laid out.

1:11.3

But what I like about Eckhart is not what Philip likes about Eckhart.

1:16.0

My all-time favorite line, which is very, very advict from Eckhart, is when he says,

1:21.3

I pray to God that he quit me of God. This is the classic adviter position that Ishwara

1:27.2

holds sway in the manifest realm, in the Saguna Brahman.

1:32.1

Ishwara is coexistent in union with manifestation.

1:36.5

But Eckhart got to that point and then realized there was something prior to it, something anterior to it.

1:42.1

It's the godhead, which I think is a term he actually invented

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