I totally froze up because that felt scary like when I was on the spot I didn't know what to say my mind went

blank but it was like God it feels like I have to give this whole elaborate detailed thing that I'm going to

like and I'm not sure is like

something's like no like what we're doing now is good yeah I mean that's the

perfect illustration of what I think most people's experience with fantasy is.

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What?

There's no better episode than to do a patented Zander Marin singing intro to an episode.

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