I'm Jonathan Lehman.

And David, he often does this.

So I start, I started to just stares at me.

And I'm here with Mark Devere.

Hello, Jonathan.

Hi, Mark.

Welcome to this episode of Nine Marks Pastors Talk.

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And with us today, we're going to discuss the topic of Theonomy.

And with us, we have T David Gordon.

What does the T stand for?

Thomas. Thomas. Professor of Religion and Greek at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania. David, you wrote Promise Law Faith, Covenant Historical

Reasoning in Galatians. I assume that's more academic work. Yeah, it is. You wouldn't want to,

you wouldn't want to bother with it unless you want it to be bothered. Yeah, got it.

But you also wrote two interesting books, why Johnny can't preach and why Johnny can't sing hymns.

And before this conversation, I looked at our website thinking, surely we've reviewed that.

But to my shame, brother, I don't think we have.

So I commissioned reviews of those two books.

And that's probably we should almost have them back to discuss those.

That'd be great.

The books.

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