You are listening to Feeding the Mouth That Bites You with Ashley Parrish and Jessica

Pfeiffer. A weekly podcast guide on parenting teens and launching them into the world. As always,

we are joined by psychologist and author, Dr. Ken Wilgus. Hey everyone, welcome back. Today we have a really

great interview. Dr. Ken talks with Kelly K-Pick about his book titled

You're Only Human. This is part two of the conversation. If you didn't get a chance to listen

to the first half, go back and listen to last week's episode. I think you'll really enjoy it.

So that leads to the other big thing, which is in recognizing our limitations, you talk about

that that means knowing our need for each other. At one point, I think you said, humility does not

simply say, I'm sorry or please forgive me. Humility also says, I don't know. Can you help me? And how should I do

this? The language of dependence on each other and interaction in that way. Can you say more about

the concern about that and how that kind of is maybe an antidote to some of this over expectation.

No, that's great.

Yeah, the chapter on humility is fun to kind of rethink how we've misunderstood it, I think,

because, you know, we by and large, no, we should be humble.

That's a positive thing.

But when you ask, you know, like when you ask Christians,

don't give them a lot of chance to think about like why should we be humble?

Our default is often well because we're sinners. And it is true we're sinners and the fact that

we're sinners should contribute to us being humble. But when you build the idea of humility on

the foundation of sin, it actually distorts the whole thing. So that the way you then think you can grow in

humility is by focusing on what a bad sinner you are. Oh, yes. Yeah. And that really screws up.

So one of the quickest way I think I have to get at this is to ask folks, before there was any

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