Episode 143 | Trump’s National Guard Takeover

It's Complicated

Renato Mariotti

News, News Commentary, Politics

4.8 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 10 October 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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A judge in Oregon has blocked Trump sending the National Guard for now, but in Illinois, federal troops are already on the ground - over the governor’s objections. Asha and Renato dig into Trump’s escalating use of the Guard in Democratic cities and whether the courts can rein him in. Plus, another strike on a boat off Venezuela - no congressional approval, dubious legal basis and growing fears Trump is pushing the US toward war. Don’t miss it! Asha Substack: https://asharangappa.substack.com/ Subscribe to our podcast: https://link.chtbl.com/its-complicated Follow Asha on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/asharangappa.bsky.social Follow Renato on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/renatomariotti.bsky.social Follow Asha on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/asha.rangappa/ Follow Renato on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/renato.mariotti/ Cruise with us! https://www.travelstore.com/group-travel/its-complicated-cruise-2026/ Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@LegalAFMTN?sub_confirmation=1 Legal AF Substack: https://substack.com/@legalaf Follow Legal AF on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/legalafmtn.bsky.social Follow Michael Popok on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/mspopok.bsky.social Subscribe to the Legal AF by MeidasTouch podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/legal-af-by-meidastouch/id1580828595 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	So, Asha, are courts going to be able to stop Trump from using the military to take over our cities?
0:07.0	Eh, it's complicated.
0:13.0	I'm Asha Rangappa. I teach national security law at Yale University.
0:17.0	I'm a former FBI special agent, and I'm the author of the Freedom Academy Substack.
0:23.0	And I'm Renato Marietti. I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer, and a legal analyst.
0:29.0	And we're here to help you understand topics that can't be boiled down into a soundfight or a
0:34.5	scheme. Wow, well, this is an incredibly complicated topic, Asch. a sound bite or a ski.
0:41.7	Wow, well, this is an incredibly complicated topic, Asha.
0:46.1	There are so much here, so many different states, really, to talk about.
0:52.8	From California to Oregon to now my home state of Illinois, sadly.
0:53.7	Yeah. Yeah.
0:54.7	Yes.
0:57.1	Maybe we should start with California.
0:59.6	So let's, yeah, let's start with California.
1:03.0	Trump, it was back in September,
1:14.3	federalized the National Guard arguing that he was unable to execute the laws with regular forces, which is what the statute requires.
1:16.1	10 U.S.C. 12406.
1:22.6	Basically, he was saying that he was unable to execute immigration laws because of the protests, etc.
1:23.6	And he federalized the California National Guard in order to assist with that,
1:30.7	basically to act in a protective capacity, I guess, to protect federal property and federal officials.
1:37.4	And then he also deployed some Marines into the city as well.
1:43.1	Well, that's a lot less controversial, obviously, than using them to conduct policing
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