Ladies and gentlemen, two men from opposite ends of the physical, cultural and emotional spectrums,

I've been working, that's what I've been doing.

Grafting, yeah, sounding grim actually.

We are coming to you this week from...

I would say my kitchen, but it's what I like to...

What they call an America, they call it a super room.

It's a kitchen diner.

I can't look out where the kitchen ends and the diner room starts, it's that big.

And the bliss begins, yeah.

You can easily roll a blade round here.

Yeah, that's an exaggeration.

There is...

Basically in my kitchen, so behind shanks is my dishwasher,

but I am unwilling to turn that off for this podcast because it's faulty.

And it might not come back to life.

And you also have a nice bath, shirt of your own, put up?

Yeah, standard.

Yeah, now look, everyone's different.

I went for years, been living in this house about three and a half years now.

And until then, I had never had a rugby picture,

Jersey, one of my many, many trophies or medals hanging up.

I'd never had England caps or anything like that hanging up.

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