Welcome to The Nothing Is Wasted Podcast. Conversations designed to help you as you live,

learn and lead through pain. And now, the host of The Nothing Is Wasted Podcast,

Davey Blackburn.

Hello and welcome to The Nothing Is Wasted Podcast. I'm Davey your host.

And I'm Aubrey Samson your coast.

Aubrey, this is going to be part two of a conversation that we have with Dr. Anita Phillips.

If you haven't listened to this conversation yet, you need to go back and listen to the part one.

Because there's a lot of backstory there. And although this is a continuing segment in our series

about racial reconciliation, this particular episode is the one before we talked about mental health

and the crossroads of mental illness, mental health and faith.

And there's so much rich backstory behind Dr. Anita's story that will help to give you context

to some of the reason why she's passionate about helping people, particularly in racial trauma,

walk through healing and not just personal healing, but now also a corporate healing

from the body of Christ. This is a powerful conversation.

One of the things that I love that she emphasizes is really a need for humility

and a need to listen carefully to one another and just a willingness to kind of put our own,

I don't know, agendas aside or our own emotions aside, not ignoring them,

but just to put the other person first in these conversations that can sometimes get really, really heated.

She's saying, you know, what if the way we have conflict matters as much as the conflict itself?

What if the way that we honor each other in hard conversations matters maybe even more than what we're talking about?

And I think that's something that we have to keep in mind, especially right now.

Well, that's not just something that you apply to race conversations.

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