Hello friends and welcome to another Robcast.

And it is, I don't know what day is it, is it Tuesday?

And I'm here in the back house with our beloved Robcast friend, Alexander Shaya.

Welcome, Alexander.

Hi Rob.

This is great to be here.

You, this is like your fourth or fifth time you've come by.

Something like that.

And what's interesting is people always, when you, when, when I get to talk with you,

people are always like, that blew my mind.

And one of the things I, I have learned over the years is when somebody has deeply moved me

and it's almost like they, they are, they are hearing a song that I want to hear.

I have learned that inevitably if you begin asking them about where they've been and what they've encountered,

they will tell stories about suffering.

There's only a way that, there's only one way that you get there.

And so you and I have this friendship outside of these Robcast interviews.

And so I've heard your story, but then I think after the last interview you said,

you know, I really should tell my stories on time.

So, so we, and we had this conversation after the really horrible days in Orlando last June.

Yes, yes, yes.

And so for those of you who haven't heard the other podcasts with Alexander,

Alexander is a trained anthropologist.

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