Hello and welcome to a very special episode of the Pan Seidcast. This is a live recording from our

recent show at the Royal Institution Theatre in London. The panel include returning guests Philip

Goff, Professor of Philosophy at Durham,

and Rowan Williams, former Archbishop of Canterbury, as well as two new panellists,

Elizabeth Oldfield, the popular writer, and Alex O'Connor, the popular YouTuber.

It's a very warm and good-spirited debate exploring the problems with traditional religion and atheism.

The main arguments discussed are the argument for God from design and the argument against God from evil.

Veteran listeners will be familiar with these arguments.

Still, in each case, it's fascinating to hear the responses from both sides of the aisle

on what their opponents take to be the strongest objections

to their view. This is the first of two installments. Here you'll hear the first half of the debate.

In the second part, in two weeks' time, the discussion continues and is followed by a Q&A from

the audience. Without further ado, here's the audio from our live show. I hope you enjoyed the

conversation. Thank you for... No, I'm not saying'm not saying that. Fuck off, no way. I'm not saying someone else's You can say it all you want. You can put it in there. I'm not saying someone else's catchphrase. I'm not getting... Thank you for wanting to know more today than you did yesterday. No, you can't just do that. You can't put out at the start of the one which is a live event.

Hello! Hello, welcome. Hello, welcome.

Hello everybody.

So many people here.

Welcome to Between God and Atheism here at the beautiful Royal Institution Theatre. Thank you all for being here on a Friday night as well. We were overwhelmed with the interest in this event. We sold out in just a few weeks, and it's great to see so many people filling the chairs, young and old. I was about to say there's lots of beautiful faces in the audience, but some of you in the dark. So those people look fantastic in the dark just at the back up there.

We've got an exceptional panel for you this evening, some of the best and biggest thinkers

in all the philosophy of religion.

So please join me in giving them a huge welcome.

As you did for me just then, I want it even warmer.

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