Hello, I'm Adrienne Dom.

And I'm Moira Donaghan.

Whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right.

So, Adrian, today we are talking about the maximum woman.

The person who is more a woman than anybody else has ever been or ever will be,

the person whose femininity was so maximized that she became and has now remained for almost a century,

a metonym for sex itself, and whose image remains a stand-in for the whole of male heterosexual desire.

That's right, today we're talking about the symbol, the industry, the visual shorthand, and maybe even the real human being,

who was Marilyn Monroe. We're Marilyn Maxing. So, Adri, what do you know about Marilyn Monroe?

I mean, I have imbibed her all my life. So I feel like I know a great

deal and I know very little. You know, I'm familiar with many of her movies. I am familiar with

her face from art shows and posters and oft parodied, oft imitated, oft-sighted visuals. you know, the blown-up skirt from the seven-year itch,

you know, her performing in some like it hot. And also, of course, I'm familiar with the kind of

collectivized grief over her, right? I mean, like, you can't be a gay man having grown up in

the second half of the 20th century without sort of a kind of cult

around Maryland as a kind of wronged woman, as a kind of woman that society sought out to

destroy, you know, without that being part of sort of your understanding of what society is like

and what fame is like. But yeah, she was, you know, an image, a symbol, a model, an actress, and a deeply tragic figure died at, what, 36, is that right?

36, yeah.

And has since become an icon that people resurrect with some regularity.

I did start watching one of the Maryland movies that came out a couple of years ago, the one with Anna de Armas.

The film version of

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