Hello and welcome back for episode 13 of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the

worst monsters are real.

I'm your host, Mike Boudet.

This week we examine the phenomenon of prisons.

We'll talk to former ex-con and best-selling author Glenn Langor, as well as criminology professor

Natasha Frost. We'll

also delve into the reason

why no foodie should ever end up

behind bars. All that and

more coming up. Glenn Langor served 10 years in some of California's toughest level for prisons.

His books like Roll Call, Down in the Yard, and The Art of War put the reader through an immersive journey of what it's actually like to live behind bars.

But the first thing I wanted to know was this.

Glenn, as somebody that's been in prison for as long as you have, somebody like me who's so far away from that world and that life, should somebody like me be afraid of you?

No, absolutely not.

Why is that?

I mean, if I was in my drug addiction and I was dealing drugs and you were trying to tell on me or steal from me or involved in something where it didn't look right with me in the drug world, yes.

But as far as like civilian stuff, no, I'm like I like helping out the underdog.

I like helping people for the most part. But when I'm in my addiction, I'm a different person, and there's a lot of scandalous stuff that happened in the drug war. So only in those kinds of situations would I say yes. And that would be if you were, you know, trying to get me sent back to prison and take all my drugs or something. Glenn has spent a lot of his life behind bars.

Ten years and change, by change, that means, you know, more than ten years, but not 11.

Out of that ten years, I did about four years in solitary confinement.

And when I say solitary confinement, I incorporate county jail time where you're slammed down in a cell that you don't come out,

24-7.

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