Eric, this is one of those episodes where we are going to go against the convention.

We're going against the algorithm because we learned in this episode, which is the truth.

We already know this, but sometimes you just got to be with some of your people to really get to that tonic once again.

That we're trying to stay human in modernity.

And what is the episode therefore for today, which you, you you caught like right Ryan hit it and then you

crystallized it it's book bodybuilding in the dog that's what it is today folks and uh you may not

know what that means now but you're going to have a visceral understanding of what that means

over the course of the next oh i, I don't know, 120 minutes.

I can't remember how long it was.

I was just in the flow.

Oh, yeah.

And that is often times the best conversations that we have, at least I find on Iron Culture,

where we hash out an idea.

You know, we're three people that have dedicated collectively about 40 years to the fitness space.

Of course, we have a lot of things to share about fitness. We also realize the common threads exist outside of fitness that from participating

in a shared space extend far beyond that. So it's only natural to reflect on things outside of

fitness and then be able to bring it back in. But I was just amazed today because this is my first

opportunity to speak with Ryan Dors.

He's kind of, he's, he's one of those honestly, almost mystical people where I've heard about him for the last decade.

And I've heard him speak and I've read his post.

I'm like, this is an eloquent individual and he has a lot to say where he thinks about these things.

And Eric, we're sharing this off air where having some like Ryan on makes you think that's just the caliber

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