Episode 118, Romantic Love (Part IV - Further Analysis and Discussion)
The Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast
Jack Symes | Andrew Horton, Oliver Marley, and Rose de Castellane
4.8 • 612 Ratings
🗓️ 4 June 2023
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
Introduction
I was told not to think too much about love. Obsess over it, let it dye the very fabric of my being: but do not think about it. Why, after all, would I want to overanalyse the magic and mystery? Would this not reduce a storybook to words and pages?
I was told that I was incomplete and was to search for another who would make me whole. This search, I was promised, would lead me to a partner I would love and be happy with forever. And are love and happiness not required for a good life?
Yet, these demands, these stories, and these questions feel restrictive and misleading. Why must I not think about what you say is so important? Why must I believe a story I have seen end in tears countless time?
It is time we started taking control of love rather than letting love control us. There is no one size fits all approach given to us by nature: not everyone finds 'the one', not everyone wants to find the one, and not all relationships need to last.
Imagine the lives we could craft if we loved proactively, with honesty and freedom. If we all did this together, we could choose what we wanted and not be pressured into what we've been told is good. And given the importance of love, is this not worth a try, even if the magic fades?
Contents
Part I. Happily Ever After
Part II. What Love Is
Part III. Sad Love
Part IV. Further Analysis and Discussion
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan Pan |
| 0:07.2 | Scicast |
| 0:08.2 | Part 4 Further analyses Part four, further analyses and discussion. |
| 0:26.7 | So in our last instalment, we ended on our discussion of what love ought or could be |
| 0:33.5 | by describing what Carrie Jenkins sees as the best alternative to the happily ever after model, |
| 0:40.6 | which is eudaimonic love, in which he thinks we should be able to craft and decide what love means to us |
| 0:46.8 | and how we want to live our romantic lives. I think it's fair to say she doesn't give much in the way of |
| 0:52.4 | what that would involve. She gives us free reign to |
| 0:54.9 | decide how we want those relationships to play out. And so I thought it would be interesting, |
| 1:00.1 | valuable, not just for the sake of the discussion, but for listeners as well, to look at the idea |
| 1:05.3 | of love through the lenses of existentialism in Skyclery's wonderful book, Existentialism and Romantic Love. |
| 1:12.2 | So to remind listeners and to get us to start thinking about how these ideas relate to |
| 1:18.1 | romantic love, they'd be helpful to think about what the distinguishing features of an existentialist |
| 1:23.6 | philosophy involve. |
| 1:24.6 | And one of the central things is that choice and freedom, that we have the freedom to create our relationships and break them up when we'd like to. |
| 1:33.0 | Our expectations there should be created by ourselves rather than post on us by society. |
| 1:39.0 | That we have a responsibility that comes with that freedom, that we can choose how we want to live our lives and that |
| 1:46.3 | existence precedes essence, and that individuals are free to choose their relationships, and |
| 1:51.2 | those relationships are a reflection of the people that they choose to be. Also recognizes that |
| 1:56.4 | anxiety when it comes to choosing a relationship or crafting our own relationship. |
| 2:01.4 | I think Carrie Jenkins is that example of jam, the jam study, where people are given lots of |
| 2:07.5 | choice between jam and the fewer jams they get to choose from, the more like they are to buy jam. |
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