Greetings, dear listeners. This is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant Podcast.

We are avoiding all semblance of rank punditry today, or maybe we're actually doing retroactive

punditry. We'll see. I've been teasing for a very long time that I wanted to do a podcast

on Woodrow Wilson, History's Greatest Monster, and we're going to get to Woodrow Wilson

in a little bit, but we're also going to cover some other history stuff. And we have in

the studio today one of my legitimately favorite historians, David Pietruscia. Say it,

for me. Pietruscia. Pietruscia. What I'm going to call David from now on, because it turns

out I have been mispronouncing David's last name in my head. And on this podcast, everyone

else has. Okay, well, I'm in good company. It's a majority opinion. You know, as they say,

in the ManuShot Liberty Valence, when... Print the legend. Yeah, print the mispronouncing.

It took me a while to figure out that for the longest time, I think forever, my mother was mispronouncing

the name. Really? Yeah, she was making it a hard Z at the end for some reason. Huh, that's like,

you know, Dick Cheney up until like halfway into the Bush years. It was then that he revealed,

like, on Meet the Press, that it was actually pronounced Cheney. And in Wyoming, everybody

called it says Cheney, but everywhere else they say Cheney. And it's like, at some point,

it's just Cheney. But anyway... There's a thing with the county line where I'm from, where if you're

from Montgomery County, it's Grico, and then above that, it's Greco. And there's another

pronunciation like that. We're just changed, you know, within miles of each other. See, I...

That is the textbook definition of the Shibbolif, right? It's a pronunciation that gives away who

you really are. Yeah. And so if you're a Greco, you're from that part of town. It is, yeah. So that's

interesting. All right, so for those who are not familiar with David's work, I'm pronouncing that

correctly, right? David. I first stumbled on David when he came out with a book called 1920,

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