Episode 112

Sword and Scale

Incongruity

History, Society & Culture, True Crime, Documentary

4.0 • 63.8K Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2018

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Some tales of human depravity are just unimaginable. Are they the actions of a monster, or simply a monstrous act? Sometimes the lines are not quite so clear, and perhaps monsters are not only real, but existing all around us, and hidden in plain site.This is the story of a young boy named Joshua Earl Patrick Phillips, an even younger girl named Maddie Clifton, and a waterbed.

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0:00.0	Sword and scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences.
0:06.0	Listener discretion is advised.
0:09.0	I did something horrible.
0:14.0	I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry for what happened.
0:49.1	Welcome to Sword and Scale, Season 5, Episode 112, a show that reveals that the worst monsters are real. What is the difference between a monster and a person who commits a monstrous act? Is there a difference?
0:58.0	Could that monster live inside any one of us? And how do we recognize it when it can be hidden in plain sight.
1:28.3	1998. 1998, Jacksonville, Florida. Sheila and Steve Clifton were living in a quiet residential neighborhood, on the city's south side with their two daughters, Jesse and Maddie.
1:39.3	How old was Jesse in 1998?
1:43.3	She was 11. And how old was Maddie 1998? She was 11.
1:45.0	And how old was Maddie?
1:47.0	Maddie was nine, or pardon me eight.
1:50.0	I had just turned eight.
1:52.0	Yes, ma'am.
1:53.0	And as most parents, did you and Steve in terms of your life together, did it revolve around your daughters?
2:01.6	Our whole life was our daughters and our family and fishing.
2:06.6	The Clifton's organized their lives around their daughter's interests and activities.
2:13.6	When they weren't taking Jesse to piano or guitar lessons,
2:21.0	they were shuttling Maddie to basketball games or dance practices.
2:24.4	On the rare occasion that they had a free weekend,
2:28.0	the Clifton family would spend it together, fishing.
2:39.0	And we were a family that went on vacations, not vacations, but we went fishing every Labor Day, every Memorial Day. You know, you find all four of us in that boat fishing, camping and fishing.
2:44.0	That's all we did. We loved our life. It was wonderful.
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