I'm Aiton Weinstein.

And I'm Naor Menninger.

And you're listening to two nice Jewish boys.

An opinion about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a bit like Superman boxers.

Everybody's got one.

And it seems that nowadays, no matter where you go, be it Indonesia or Wyoming, anyone with a pulse will tell you that while it's true that Arafat said no to Barack's peace offer in 2000, it doesn't really count since Barack was a lame duck by them.

There's one thing though that the discussion about the conflict really lacks.

It's subtle, yes, but if used wisely, it has the potential to redefine

our thinking process and our perceptions. This thing is objectivity. Objectivity regarding the conflict.

Is there even such a thing? Let's just say that if there is, sitting with us today is the guy

who brings it to the table.

Dr. Mika Goodman is a research fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem and the head of the Bait Midrash Israeli and Pratt, a Torah studying institute for young adults.

He authored several bestsellers and his most recent book, Catch 67, was recently published in

English. In the book, Dr. Goodman tries to rethink

and deconstruct the most basic perceptions about the conflict, in an effort to reach new insights,

untangle the axioms, and maybe just maybe disarmed the time bomb we're all sitting on. How does

he do it? To NJB are thrilled to have Dr. Miechah Goodman with us today to find

out. This podcast is made in collaboration with the Jewish Journal. Let's talk about, I guess,

let's start with the concept of zero-sum game. Is this a zero-sum game? Is

every win that Israel has a loss for the Palestinians? Is every win for the Palestinians a loss

for Israel? Well, it definitely seems that way. Throughout history, it's obviously false.

And I think that's the problem. I think we're trapped in a false dichotomy. Now, if it's okay

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