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no bull and the aftermath.

There have been significant benefits from the recent public debate, but the leaks of unquestionably

caused damage to our national security.

Damage whose full extent we will not know for years.

We've seen public posting clearly talking about the disclosures.

Such a one-fri- one example is an extremist who advised others to stop using a particular

communications platform because the company provided that provided that platform which

had been discussed in the leaked documents was, quote, part of NSA.

So as I said, we're not going to know for a long time how much damage we've suffered,

but we have suffered damage.

And yet, the intelligence community from the director of national intelligence on

damn recognizes that with secrecy inevitably come both suspicion and the possibility of

abuse.

I and many others firmly believe that there would have been less public outcry from the leaks

of the last year and a half if we had been more transparent about our activities beforehand.

I'm Cody Poplin and this is the LawFair podcast February 7th, 2015.

That was Robert Lit you just heard.

General Counsel of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

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