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Greetings dear listeners this is another exciting edition of the Remnant Podcast.

I'm actually on the road this week in the Placial almost eighth wonder of the world headquarters

of the Illinois is it just Illinois policy or Illinois policy center Illinois policy institute

is RC three Illinois policy is RC for most of the world knows is by Illinois policy institute.

Okay, so there's just there are a lot of ISI's out there so yes as long as there's no

SIS is out there. There's still some of them they've scattered but anyway if you haven't

figured out yet I'm in the windy city also known as mudtown chitown city in a garden the city

of the big shoulders the windy city the second city murder city sorry guys the white city sorry

about that and the real Gotham and that's a debate that we can take on for another podcast

because there are people who believe it Philly is the real Gotham but that's I don't think

that's true it's definitely not New York anyway I'm here with John Tillman the head of the

Illinois policy institute thank you for coming on thanks for having me on it's good to be with

you John. Sure so I'm gonna sort of cut to the chase what the hell is wrong with Illinois.

We have a long history of politics being a free enterprise effort here but unfortunately

it's currently capitalism at its worst people asked me this all the time how did this turn out

this way most states government is sort of a side show all the talented people go into one sort

of business or another in Illinois politics is one of our industries we have people that trade in

the financial markets we have pharmaceutical companies manufacturing companies large agricultural

business food processing and politics and so politics is just a normal course of career choices

here for people and the way politics works in Illinois it's very much like the mob or a feudal

system you have a dons and captains and you live in a certain district and you have to come and

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