To be honest, I don't remember every detail except that I can tell you the shock was real. I have very thick shock absorbers as you can imagine, as I know you do. The shock was real. The pain was very deep. It just was not expected. Did you ever think about stepping out from your job during that time period and just having it all go away? I did. I don't think it would have gone away. I worried about safety. Very much worried about safety. I felt like I was safe where I was. People think that somehow President Trump and George were in this fat. President Trump rarely mentioned him. He mentioned him a couple times in answers to a very specific question, but never said his name. He said, oh, you mean Mr. Kellyan Conway? I don't know you have to ask her. I don't know him well. And she's wonderful. I don't know why he would do that. Look, Trump Durangent Syndrome is real. There is no vaccine, therapeutic, or cure. It addles the brain. It shuts down your sense of humor. Is there anything less attractive than, I don't know, an underachieving middle-aged man who never really made it? No. The idea that anyone, let alone professionals in the media, could direct message your

15-year-old daughter and think it's okay, is absurd.

Claudia is my daughter, and whatever I have discussed with Claudia and whatever we have done

together and said together as a family or as a mother and a daughter, that's going to stay between us.

Hi, everyone, and welcome to today's episode of the Katie Miller podcast.

I'm so excited to be joined here today by a dear friend,

Kellyanne Conway. Thank you, Katie. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. Hello to the audience.

So you are a household name. I would say most people in the country know who Kelly and Conway is.

But could you tell us a bit about your career prior to the 2016 campaign? Yes. Well, Katie

Miller, first of all, congratulations on your new podcast.

That is not an easy feat.

I know folks are begging to be guests and tuning in regularly just to see who you're

interviewing and what tough questions you're asking that week.

So I'm so happy to be here.

So I turned 50 on Donald Trump's inauguration day. I literally was born January 20th,

1967. And so when he asked me to be campaign manager earlier that summer, one of the last things

I said to him was, you know, Mr. Trump, I believe in the hand of God, I believe in fate. And I

turned 50 on inauguration day. We'll either have the birthday

party of a lifetime or I'll take the kids to Italy. And he's very polite about it. I don't know that

I was really that forthcoming or clear in what I was saying as a busy guy. He was very polite about it,

but my kids didn't get to Italy until 2020. I'm glad to report. And so I had an entire career

before that. I was a lawyer by 25, admitted to practice in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, and the District of Columbia. I clerked for a judge here in Washington, D.C. for a year. I learned an awful lot there. But prior to that, during college, I had worked for a guy named Dick Worthland. He was Ronald Reagan's

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