Welcome to at last she said it. A podcast where women of faith come together to

acknowledge that it's complicated and support each other while we figure it out.

Bergen, I want to ask you the question that we ask all of our guests, just sort of to get a snapshot of where they are at any given time. So I want to ask you, what do you know? What is something that you know right now today? Yeah, I just, I love this question. Thank you for asking it. I know love. Yeah, I know what it I know what what love is and that I, I think all the other things I know really stem from the, yeah.

Wow, what a beautiful answer.

I don't know that we've had that answer before but it's the answer. It's the answer. Thank you so much.

Thank you for asking.

Hello. Hello and welcome to at last she said it. I'm Susan Henkley and I'm here with Cynthia Wynward. Hi Cynthia. Hi, how's it going?

Great, always happy to be here recording with you.

And today we have a special guest.

We have Bergen-Hyde joining us for a conversation that just judging by the episode title could be a pretty interesting

conversation.

The name of today's conversation is when church isn't safe.

Oof.

And some of our listeners might be already thinking,

wait, what does that mean?

How could church not be safe?

But we're gonna find out more about that today because you and I both have come to realize in our conversations with many many women since the beginning of this project that church isn't safe for some women.

So welcome to at last she said at Bergen. We're delighted, delighted to have you join us.

I'm so so happy to be here with both of you and so grateful

for all the work that you do and to be a small part of it today.

Thanks, thanks for having me. Is there anything that you can tell our

listeners about yourself to kind of help them know who you are and why we wanted to have you on to have

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