Hi, James. Ben, how are you? I am, I'm good. We are, we are recording late because

the NBA is back and there was a fantastic Clippers Warriors game, which I've, which I watched.

I know you enjoyed watching it as well. This is, this is no tech Ben talking, right?

That's right. That's right. We have a guest host today.

Our listeners will have missed you giving me a hard time telling me that we need to start

right now because you're pressed for time.

And I was like, okay, Ben, let's get going then. I'm ready whenever you are.

Yeah, it's no tech Ben's fault.

It's not,

for those that I know,

I have an alternate Twitter persona,

which is at no tech fan,

where you don't want to follow because it's like me complaining about refs and

stuff like that.

I very much appreciate the way you kind of firewall off those two separate parts of

your online personality. Yeah, they sleep over

sometimes, but yeah, I'm, you know, got miles to feed. It can't be driving people away.

I do that. I drive people away up on my own, just fine. Well, maybe, maybe there might be a little

bit of seeping over on this episode. We'll see how we go.

But before we do it...

Oh, sorry.

No, you go ahead.

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