Welcome to At Last She Said It, a podcast where women of faith come together to acknowledge

that it's complicated and support each other while we figure it out. Hello, I'm Susan Hinckley and I'm here with Cynthia Wynward and this is at last she said it.

Hi Cynthia.

Hey Susan, how are you today?

I'm great. How are you? Fine, thank you. Glad to be here with you again. Me too. We're kicking off season three. Yay! And it occurs to me that it's just about a year since we released the first episode of this

podcast and it's amazing how many butterflies I still get three seasons into this

thing when you hit record it's a it's a little intimidating to me today just the title of this.

The title of today's episode is For the Men in the Room. And so my question, my first question about that is what do we mean by that, Cynthia? Are we explaining the issues to the men? Either you know trying to help them understand what the issues are to make them less afraid of talking about them or are we

asking the men to change their thinking and maybe their behavior what would mean by

for the men in the room well hopefully both hopefully we can accomplish maybe both of those

goals but I just have to point out Susan a year ago when we started this

podcast on our very first episode we said we are not interested in explaining ourselves to men

so I believe I remember that coming right out of my mouth and so here we are a year later

saying hey men we're gonna explain a few things to you.

Yeah, so never say never, gosh darn it.

No, well, you know, it's a journey.

And here's another thing.

We didn't expect that we would have as many male

listeners as we seem to have so we have male listeners and it's it's not a bad

idea to take one opportunity out of all of our episodes to speak to them for a minute.

So, and whether they actually listen to this or not or whether it's mostly our female listeners who listen and maybe take a few notes and say,

hey, I think this could be applicable in my situation to talk with, whoever, whatever men in their lives,

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