But are we actually going about this the right way?

Well, let's talk to somebody who has gained quite a lot of interest in recent weeks after his videos

looking at in great detail all of the different data, all of the graphs, showing where we are with the virus,

likelihood of a second wave and how we actually are dealing with positive test results. He's been getting

the support of the likes of Professor Carl Hennigan, Professor of Evidence-based Medicine in Oxford,

and his name is Iva Cummins. He's a biochemical engineer, and I think we can say to say

a lockdown skeptic. Good morning to you, Iva. Good morning, Julia. Good morning. Love you to speak to you.

I'm delighted to speak to you after sharing your your videos online looking at sort of

what's really going on and I suppose for an awful lot of people not people who

thinks it's all the hoax not the people who think that this is you know the

lizard people secretly funding control of society those people are crazy but

people like me and many of my listeners

who, you know, supportive of the understandable need for a lockdown in the early days, but you're

increasingly sceptical that the measures we are taking are proportionate to the threat that the

virus actually poses. What are your concerns? Well, yeah, that's it, Julia, exactly. Proportionality and

logic and rationality seemed to have taken somewhat of a holiday. So I was supportive of the

lockdown back in March, of course, because precautionary principle, you know, we didn't really

know what we were facing. So there's a lot of science that said it wouldn't help much but hey but the problem now is if you take the UK I

just look to the figures this morning and I'm all about the data as you know so the

UK is around point seven per million people per day sadly passing carrying the

SARS-CoV COVID2 virus.

And people have to appreciate 0.7 people per million per day is not a large figure.

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