And again, this is multiple studies at this point in extremely well-controlled environments.

We can state conclusively confidently people who adopt a diet that puts their insulin very low have higher metabolic rates.

That's good news because one of the most tedious ways of living a life is counting every stinking calorie.

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in Denver. Good to see you brother. Yeah and you are the master of insulin, glucagon,

mitochondria and so many more things.

So I thought today, for the people listening, we could go through some of your insights from the past couple of years.

On the white and brown fat, insulin's action, glucagon and mitochondrial health and how that ties into things, maybe at a high level

so that everyone can grasp the importance of this topic.

Yeah. My background is classically focused on insulin. I'm an insulin guy, I guess, if I had to have one, to sum it up in one word,

but I also have a great deal of

mitochondrial background.

The mitochondria are relevant today because the main things that people are concerned with,

among many of them, obesity and diabetes.

And at their core, those are metabolic disorders.

And insofar as the hormone insulin is what drives the metabolic car

insulin is very relevant in this same conversation what I mean by that is

insulin is what dictates energy use in the body and so over the last few years

two years in particular much of the research in my laboratory has focused

on how insulin affects the degree to which the mitochondria are using energy.

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