Welcome to episode 15 of the National Post.

I'm a Hinker some editor in chief of the National Post.com. We have as our lead story on the site right now a story really a piece of longer form analysis on how Alexandra Acasio called Tez has framed a lot of what happened on January the 6th.

I'm very reluctant to get into some of the more rumour in Washington DC.

Kiddichata that you hear sometimes and this can sometimes be classified as one of those things but I think this thing has such a massive, massive.

Just huge, huge, huge implication as to a lot of the facts that are being told to us about what's happened over the course of the last couple of weeks in the United States here and from a reporting perspective it is totally relevant from a news perspective it is totally relevant because as our guest on this podcast will tell us this is somewhat about something much larger which is the second impeachment of the president.

It's part of the United States the 45th president in the United States Donald J Trump and it's hard to avoid and ignore this sort of thing as just noise when it pertains to so much that's going to take place in terms of the truth of the fact of the matter of the impeachment trial as we'll hear about it over the next week or so and so on that note I am going to dial in our next guest on this show.

This is Jack Pesobic of one American news as you can tell and here I'm dialing Jack Pesobic into the show now I love to dial people in live Jack are you there? I am here.

We got it we did it the second time we've ever done this and it's as successful as the first I don't do any of the preamble the pre interview type stuff that so many shows do we dive right into it and I dial the people in live and Jack I'm so grateful for you.

I'm having the time out today I realize I'm I'm late I'm always late I'm late to this appointment so we'll get right into it Jack a lot of people will look at the story that we've covered in the last 48 hours and think it's part of that noise it's it's one side versus the other we're so tired of that type of politics that back and forth and I pride myself on not paying attention to that and I know you you do too so tell us from the outset why.

The hashtag Alexandra a Cassius Smollett hashtag a. C. Lied stuff is actually so important to you and is actually worth covering.

Well the reason that this all got started in the first place was in the breakdown of the January 6th the aftermath everything that happened at that event.

The lawmaker was making their comments we've now also seeing a new open session that's going to be held from a OC in the squad in the actual house chamber is going to happen later on this evening tonight here in DC but.

Not me was that I read an article from red state that report was pointing out that a. C. was starting a new narrative and that when that's what she does when she routinely goes out and does the Instagram live she tells narratives but this narrative actually didn't fit with the facts in evidence and why are these facts so important because of course the president of the United States is being impeached by the house which of course she's a message.

Remember of right she actually voted for impeachment based on these facts and evidence that's why it's so important and we're realizing that she has been essentially embellishing exaggerating story putting herself at the center of it remember she first said that she was nearly killed she then accused senator Ted Cruz of trying to have her murdered when he wanted to reach out across the aisle by the way to try to work with her on on Wall Street beds and and the reddit.

Rebellion and so for her to use this vitriol predicated on a story which when it actually comes down to the end of it it turns out she wasn't in any danger she was in her office across the street from the capital building.

There were no rioters there and yet when you call her out on it she responds to me claiming that there were bombs there were people in the tunnels there were people running up and down the hallways and even moderate congresswoman Nancy Mase is saying I was on that same corridor there was nothing there was nothing of the sort and so when a or c response she doubles down this is what is creating such an issue for a roll of a roadblock in Washington.

DC because you've got someone where we actually had unity on an issue for once and she's making it all about division the unity on the issue being that I people from all sides you and I included a poor violence of

poor vandalism we've made our positions very strong on that over the course of 2010 20 in all of the riots we saw in the vandalism we saw the burning down of businesses that we saw and so it was relatively easy and comprehensible for everybody to get on the same page on this which is to say hey you have your first amendment rights you have the ability to

peaceably demonstrate and to redress the grievances that you have with your government but actually going so far as to physically break in to the capital building and and occupy and I'm not saying there isn't hypocrisy on this and we'll get to that in a minute but occupy the chambers of government especially on such an important day are somewhat beyond the pale and what you see has done here is something that actually jack she's done

pretty much on every single issue she's ever been involved with which is drastically imbellishing which is adding this layer of histrionics onto the event and the circumstances that occurred but on this issue I think the reality and the reason why people are so upset with her and a fiscing the issue so

in such great detail is because it is on an issue that so many people felt united on and she felt the need to go and and and be a part of the and and use this event for part of the purposes attacking Ted Cruz calling him you know saying that he

you know effectively advocated for her murder or took steps that almost led to her murder it's it's it's it's it's absolutely incredible and you raise a number of things there that I want to get into here so let's let's start at the very top

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