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Hey, everybody, welcome. And thank you for listening to this episode of Marriage Therapy

Radio.

I'm Zach Riddle.

I'm here with Laura Heck.

This episode is less like a conversation and more like a concert.

One of my favorite singer-songwriters and, in fact, people on the planet, David

Wilcox is joining us.

Talk a little bit about his views of relationship and of songwriting and of just making sense

of the world. He even plays a song for us.

I'm going to listen back with a pen because there's a lot of good wisdom here.

I think you'll find it worthwhile.

Any of you that are new to Marriage Therapy Radio through David, welcome to the podcast.

You might want to follow us on Instagram at Marriage Therapy Radio. I'm going to put a link to a Spotify playlist that I made, curated by my wife,

of some of our favorite marriage songs that David has written and performed for us over the

years. And, uh, but for now, it's a very cool conversation. Stick around.

Laura, this is David, David. This is Laura. Hi, Laura. Hi there.

Laura's new to David's music. I sent it to you last week, but I guess what was it?

Maybe 30 years ago I was trying to figure it out today. I found out of you in a summer camp in Mentoen, Alabama, Alpine Camp for Boys. You've ever heard of Alpine Camp for Boys?

I've been to Mentone, Alabama.

And you have a familiar, my brother worked at some camp that you're connected to in North Carolina,

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