Hello, wine average. My name is Jesse Meakin with another episode of the wine ad podcast

where we teach you four rules to help you stop it from paycheck to paycheck. Get out

of debt and save more money today. I am so, so super pleased to have with me on the

show Jason and Katie. Jason is now a retired law enforcement officer, but they did a crazy

thing. They did a crazy thing. They paid off a whole lot of debt in a very short amount

of time. They sprinted for a really, really long time and got it done. We talk about the

challenges that they face, kind of their early money experiences with their parents and

then kind of the tipping point. What really made them feel like, okay, we got to fix this.

We got to do this different. They changed who did what in the sharing of financial duties.

They sacrificed. They toil. It's just, this is just been absolutely enjoyable to have them

on the podcast and have them share their story with you. So without further ado, here's

my chat and the money story around paying off loads of debt, short time with Jason and

Katie. Jason and Katie, welcome to the YNAB podcast. Thank you so very much. It's an honor.

Thank you. I'm super excited to have you all here. You have a pretty crazy story. Well,

I shouldn't even say crazy. I want people to hear this story and be like, yeah, it's

we can do that. We can do something like that. So absolutely. Yeah, it's, I'm just excited

to dive in and so let's, let's start with having you all just kind of tell, tell the listeners

a little bit about yourself and we'll jump in. You will, you bet. My name is Jason Hoshauer.

I am a recently retired law enforcement officer after 23 years of my career. And my wife,

Katie is a professional organizer, started her business from scratch. She's done absolutely

incredible. And the funny story about her getting started is she initially wanted to go to

a conference while I was still, you know, fully employed and in law enforcement. And she said,

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