Ep146 "Who Counts as Human in Your Mind?" with Lasana Harris
Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman
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4.7 • 620 Ratings
🗓️ 23 March 2026
⏱️ 74 minutes
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When do you view another person like an object? This is what neuroscientists mean when they talk about de-humanization: your brain doesn't crank up its social circuitry to understand the other person as having a mind like you do. Is dehumanization a cause of violence, or the fuel that keeps it burning? Do people who view themselves as highly empathetic dehumanize more than others? And on the flip side, why do we sometimes think chatbots or robots are people with interior minds? Will kids raised with AI grow up to fight for AI rights? Today we dive deep into how your brain sees others with social neuroscientist Lasana Harris.
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| 0:00.0 | How does your brain decide that some other person has their own inner life? |
| 0:11.1 | And how does this sometimes go in a different direction where you end up viewing another |
| 0:15.2 | person more like an object? |
| 0:17.8 | This is what neuroscientists mean when they talk about dehumanization. It means that |
| 0:22.9 | your brain is not cranking up its social machinery to understand that the other person has a mind |
| 0:29.8 | like you do. We're going to dive deep into this today with social neuroscientist Lassana Harris. |
| 0:35.7 | We'll ask, is dehumanization a cause of violence, or is it the |
| 0:41.4 | fuel that keeps it burning? |
| 0:43.8 | Do people who think of themselves as highly empathic sometimes dehumanize more than other people? |
| 0:51.3 | And on the flip side, why do we sometimes think that chatbots or robots |
| 0:56.6 | are people with interior minds? Will children raised with AI grow up to fight for AI rights? |
| 1:05.0 | Today we're going to dive deep into how your brain sees others. So get ready for a great brain stretch. |
| 1:11.6 | Welcome to Inner Cosmos with me, David Eagleman. |
| 1:16.6 | I'm a neuroscientist and author at Stanford, |
| 1:19.6 | and in these episodes, we sail deeply into our three-pound universe |
| 1:23.6 | to understand how we see the world. |
| 1:25.6 | And importantly, today, how we see each other. |
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