Ep139 "What does alignment look like in a society of AIs?" with Danielle Perszyk
Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman
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4.7 • 620 Ratings
🗓️ 2 February 2026
⏱️ 59 minutes
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Is intelligence a property of individual brains, or is it something that emerges from many brains trying to align with one another? How can we build AI agents to improve our understanding of the world and to mediate between rivaling humans? For this and much more, we speak today with Danielle Perszyk, a cognitive scientist who leads the human-computer interaction team at Amazon’s AGI Lab.
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| 0:00.0 | Is it possible that we're thinking about intelligence in the wrong way? |
| 0:10.0 | Instead of being something inside individual brains, is intelligence instead something that |
| 0:16.7 | emerges from lots of brains that are constantly working to align with one another. And if we take on |
| 0:24.4 | that lens, what does this mean about the way that we can build AI agents or the way that they |
| 0:31.6 | can make us better? What is the difference between information and information with a purpose? |
| 0:38.4 | Today we're going to speak with Daniel Persick, a cognitive scientist who leads the human |
| 0:43.0 | computer interaction team at Amazon's AGI lab. |
| 0:47.3 | So get ready for a great brain stretch. |
| 0:53.4 | Welcome to Intercosmos with me David Eagleman. |
| 0:56.3 | I'm a neuroscientist and an author at Stanford, |
| 0:58.7 | and in these episodes we sail deeply into our three-pound universe |
| 1:02.7 | to understand how we see the world, |
| 1:05.0 | and soon how AI might come to understand the world with us. |
| 1:16.4 | Okay. AI might come to understand the world with us. This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 1:19.4 | Guaranteed human. |
| 1:26.4 | Let's think about the word intelligence. |
| 1:29.7 | You might justifiably assume that neuroscientists have an agreed-upon definition for this, |
| 1:36.3 | but we actually don't. |
| 1:38.1 | However one thinks about intelligence, I think it's a fair assumption that most of us, when we think about it, assume that |
| 1:45.9 | intelligence is something that happens inside a single head. In other words, a brain processing |
| 1:53.3 | information. This statement seems so obvious that it hardly invites inspection. But if you step back and look at how intelligence |
| 2:02.8 | actually unfolds in a human life, |
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