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sumup.com.uk. What is up and welcome to a bit of a different episode of Working Hardly Working.

I'm joined by Jake Brown and Gary Meen, the co-founders of a brand new AI company called Retrograde.

And here is, I guess, the wildest bit.

I am the other co-founder this podcast has obviously

always been about sharing my business learnings and it seems crazy not to use this opportunity to talk

about my biggest learning curve of the last few months almost year now which is founding retrograde

and I wanted this episode to be a raw and real conversation about our journey to date,

the reality of what it's been like, how we've taken our idea and made it into something real,

and what we think this company can be. I really hope you enjoy it. The kind of idea is that you've just

dialed into one of our meetings where we're really just talking about like where we are going

and why we are going there and why we have started this company and why we believe that it is going to change the creator economy.

It feels very different because usually if I were to announce a company, I would also have a

product for you to like be able to get immediately, which is the difference between being in the product and tech space.

So we'll talk it through and talk through

what the company is, why the company is, and who can use it. But if you are interested,

once you've heard about it, there is a waitlist link in the description. So you can click and

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