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Whether it's an under the radar genre or a proper out-there podcast,

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try more weird with Dr Pepper's zero. I'm April Voki and you're listening to Ancard. My chance to speak with some of the most

influential people involved in the outdoors today. Join me as I travel to sit face to face

with my guests in their own homes to learn more about their careers, opinions, history, relationships, and life both indoors and out.

Hanging Marlin is one of the most controversial topics in the fishing world. In this episode of

anchored I sit down with renowned Marlin captain Dean Butler and ex-mouth guide

John O'Shales to hear their very different opinions on the matter. This is a really interesting podcast for me and not just you know given the context of talking about Marlin and should we hang Marlin which is of course very controversial but I never have two guests on at once and I've always wanted to do this I've always wanted to put two people in a room and it sounds so barbaric to say hash it out but like to intelligently hash it out so that is what we're going to do.

You guys are my trial here to see how this works.

So I've got Dean Butler on my right. Anyone who's interested in learning more about

Dean Butler, you can go to a past episode where Dean and I sat down and you can hear his life story in depth there. To my left I've got John O Shales and

also again you can hear John O's whole story on another episode that you can find separately. And so why this is interesting,

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