Hi, this is Josh Marshall, this is the Josh Marshall podcast. I spent the last about

24 hours reading through this Gordon Sunlin testimony. Yeah, it's a lot to get through. is a

Gordon Sonlan testimony.

Yeah, it's a lot to get through.

It's a lot to, well, that's, I mean, I guess these testimonies are what, like eight or nine hours,

like in real time, in a few breaks and whatever.

And obviously you can read much faster than people can talk the words but

still it's a long time and you want to kind of get and and when you're when

you're reading testimony like this you really want to kind of be processing the

details because that's where sort of things that aren't totally obvious are

gonna are gonna come out and I and I've been I've been looking forward to

reading this testimony maybe seeing him testify publicly because he is sort of like

He's like the odd man out in this whole drama because you've got a list of people who are

maybe they were like a little involved or maybe more than a little involved, but they're clearly like reluctant, reluctantly involved.

And those people have by and large, you know, testified and in some cases said things very

damaging to the president and his pals. And then you have other people who are like

total crooks and they're totally on board and they're not going to testify and

all this kind of stuff.

And Sunland is this guy who's sort of going to like between, like wants to be evil, but not that good

at being evil. And I was sort of looking, I was looking forward to hearing his testimony because in everything I have

seen of this guy, you get that tension. That he's, you know, it's sort of sort of like you know when you're at a dock and like a boat is

leaving the dock you you can get on but at a certain point you've got to get on the boat or stay on the dock

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