Welcome to the Undercenter podcast.

I'm Lawrence Holmes, along with Jim Miller and Alex Brown.

And we're going to recap the Bears 20 to 3 win over the Cleveland Browns.

This is going to sound like we're doing a Browns podcast in the first segment.

But I'm curious, do you guys feel bad for the Browns as the franchise and maybe

their fan base for what's gone on for seems like the last, you know, 15, 16 years?

Right.

I feel bad for the fan base, but I don't feel bad for the Browns organization at all.

Because I think they actually were getting it right with Butch Davis and unfortunately Tim Couch gets hurt. They were really good. Even back when we played him in 2001, that was a really well-built football team. Unfortunately, Tim Couch wrecks his shoulder. But even after that, I thought they did pretty well under Mangini they were getting there. And then even with Pat Shermer, they had a really good roster, but couldn't solve their quarterback issue.

We end up drafting Brandon Whedon.

But since Jimmy Hoslam has come in, it's been a complete disaster.

Here's a guy who was a part owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

He had ownership in there.

Said, oh, yeah, I'm going to build it just like the Steelers.

That guy's done anything but that. He's had turnover with coaches.

I mean, there was one and done for Rod Chigensky.

Remember when he was there for one year?

I mean, you can't build a team like that.

And now he's doing it again by hiring another John Dorsey, another general manager. I think he got a good

football guy rather than the route that they were going with the money ball, but I don't feel

bad for the Browns organization at all. They brought it upon themselves. You brought it up that

when their explanation for not going after Carson Wentz was ridiculous. Paul P. Dependesta, who was

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