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I am your host, Michael Covel, not filtered, raw, honest.

That's my passion.

I'm holding this fine new title in my hands, this new book, called Accountable,

The Rise of Citizen Capitalism.

My guest today, Michael O'Leary, is the author of this new book.

And I don't know how you can get into this subject without getting controversial.

At least some people are going to love you and some people are going to hate you.

Michael argues that corporations are broken.

No deeper purpose than profit.

Now, some people might disagree with that little statement right there.

But that's the whole point of this podcast. Let's get it out there and let's have a little bit of an intellectual joust.

Michael makes the case that if corporations can be accountable to a deeper purpose, we can make

capitalism both prosperous and good.

Again, just with this simple setup, I'm sure I've got half the audience going yes and half the audience going no.

But that's why I love doing this podcast.

Let's get us all out there in the thinking circle and let's debate it.

Without any further delay, let's jump right into my conversation today with Michael O'Leary.

I'm thinking about the idea of a corporation. I happen to have one. It happens to be a C corporation. And I don't know the structure of

Amazon's corporate structure. It's probably quite complicated. But in a nutshell, if I had to

take myself back to the mid-1990s when I set up a corporation,

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