Hey folks. Hope you're having a good week so far.

Today is part two of a two-part series on canoes.

We're talking to an expert, Steve, who Kurt interviewed back in 2015.

So this is a pretty old episode, but based on the downloads, y'all really liked it. So it was one of the most

downloaded episodes we've ever had on the first day, which was cool to see. So I hoping this one

does as well, too. But Steve is a great storyteller, very informative, a guide, and is very

passionate about canoeing and about the waters that we canoe. And so the second half of the

conversation talks more about

canoeing as well as Steve's passion for the boundary waters and saving them around Lake Superior

from mining. So I know that we deal with that here where I'm from phosphate mining. And up there,

I think it's like copper ore mining or something like that. So we're going to hear about that. But if you haven't, go ahead and check out part one. Hope you enjoy. Let's go ahead and jump in.

Well, Steve, I grew up in Telequa, Oklahoma.

And Telequah is situated on the Illinois River, which is a scenic waterway in Oklahoma.

And there are a lot of canoe outfitters up and down the river that let people do short float trips.

You know, usually it's a single day sort of a thing,

a 12-mile or maybe a 20-mile trip where, you know, there's decent current. But in Oklahoma, the water's warm, the air is hot, and canoeing is just pretty much the same as swimming. You're

going to be in the water as much as you're in the canoe, and that's part of the fun.

So when you're up north, when the seasons are colder, when you've got the cold water, because

it's, like you said, spring or late fall and the water's getting pretty cold, we're not about

swimming anymore. It's a little bit different sport. How do people need to dress for the

conditions?

Oh, that's a great question. Spring and fall is different. For sure, in the summer you can

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