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What is Christian nationalism? Is it this dangerous fascist movement? Is it a push for theocracy? Or is it just Christians exercising their faith as they try to influence policy and culture?

Just like everyone else with a world view does. We are going to discuss and kind of debate this a little bit with our friend James Lindsay.

He is an atheist, but he pushes back a lot against critical theory, critical race theory, queer theory.

And so we agree on a ton, but we also disagree fundamentally on where right and wrong and therefore on where the basis of law comes from.

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James, thanks so much for joining us again. How you doing?

I am doing better. So I'm good. Thank you.

Good. Okay. We've got a lot to cover. People know last week you were supposed to be on. We had technical difficulties. Now you're back. Everything is good to go.

This will probably be a two part thing because our conversations are typically linked here. Before we get into all the topics that I want to talk about with everything going on in the news,

I want to discuss something that I've observed on your Twitter feed for I don't know if it's the past few months or past few weeks, but you seem to be and you just clarify where you need to clarify my impression is that you are in greater conflict with like Christian conservative Twitter than you have been previously.

There seems to be like a lot of back and forth and arguments between you and Christian conservatives that you probably agree with in a lot of ways, but there seems to be some I don't know descent there.

There's one issue actually so the nitpick I honestly don't think I'm arguing with Christians I'm arguing with people who think they're Christians, but that's a very Christian thing to say which I can't claim.

So I'm arguing with people who are in favor of the Christian nationalism movement. I don't think that the Christian nationalist movement is a good idea. I have absolutely no problem with Christians believe in Christians. In fact, I think that preventing the Christian nationalist move is part of protecting Christians rights and freedoms to believe according to their pursuit and understanding of scripture that they work out with their pastors.

Stephen Wolf William Wolf those are two examples of people.

Those two, yeah, for Christians.

Yeah, just released a podcast about them. Okay. So I called it the two wolves of Christian nationalism.

Yeah, their names are kind of a funny situation, I guess, kind of a funny. They're not related as far as I know. It's kind of funny that they're last names are both wolf.

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