Ep. 79: Politics Doesn't Care About Your Art
Young Heretics
Spencer Klavan
4.9 • 4.5K Ratings
🗓️ 16 November 2021
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
If you want a perfect state, you have to seize the means of artistic production. That's something that both the Right and the Left now instinctively understand... which is why we're fighting so hard over things like Netflix. Plato saw to the heart of the matter in the third book of his Republic, which is why that book has caused, shall we say, quite a bit of trouble. In this episode of Young Heretics, Spencer Klavan explains.
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| 0:00.0 | You've probably heard that facts don't care about your feelings. |
| 0:03.6 | But today I want to tell you that art doesn't care about your politics. |
| 0:09.7 | And maybe more importantly, I want to tell you that politics doesn't care about your art. |
| 0:18.9 | So we're reading Republic Book 3 today. |
| 0:22.3 | We've gotten to the third book in our gradual progression through this masterwork of |
| 0:27.3 | Western political philosophy, in some ways a kind of foundation stone of political philosophy. |
| 0:32.2 | In the West we read Book 1, which is kind of a prelude where it's established that justice |
| 0:38.2 | is an objective thing and not just the will of the stronger. And then we read Book 2, in which the |
| 0:43.6 | question is kind of raised more deeply and in earnest. What is justice? Is it actually good to be |
| 0:48.8 | just or is it just a fool's game? And then this barked us, this set us off on this big project |
| 0:55.9 | of imagining the perfect state. That is, if we think about what justice is in the city, |
| 1:03.2 | we'll be able to think about what justice is full stop in a soul and a human being and in general. |
| 1:08.0 | So Plato's interlocutors, that is Socrates is the main guy as often in the dialogues. |
| 1:15.4 | And he's talking with Glaucom and Adamantus, who are these two sons of a riston, which means that |
| 1:20.4 | they're Plato's brothers. These interlocutors are now embarked upon this project of imagining |
| 1:28.4 | the perfect policy, the calipolis, that is the good and beautiful city state. Remember that |
| 1:34.4 | city states are a kind of different thing than we have now in nations, right? They're not |
| 1:39.3 | countries. They're cities that are political units unto themselves. Athens is a city state. |
| 1:45.0 | Barta is a city state. And this calipolis, this imaginary place is a city where the people |
| 1:51.4 | govern and are governed according to you rules unique to that city state. The question is, |
| 1:55.8 | what are the just rules? And we got up to the point where we have the guardians who are the |
| 2:02.2 | people in charge, right? They are the philosopher kings, although that can be misleading because |
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