If you want to process a food, we take some peanuts, we put them in the blender. I have technically processed them, that becomes peanut butter. That's not bad for you. I've still got just peanuts in there. However, if I extract a bit of the peanut, add some more chemicals, blow torture and carousine. Do five other things to it and turn it into some weird chemical compound that's stable for the next 48 years. I've created an ultra-processed food. That is something the body doesn't know how to deal with and it leads to a number of problems. Welcome to the trailhead of trail runner nation. We go and runs with you. We're in your head, in your ears, we're between your ears every week with guests that are going to help us become better runners, healthier human beings, maybe stronger and maybe a little kinder. Did you just make that up, Scott? Now, I'll tell you, put me right in the middle on this run. You go ahead and lead, put me in the middle and warn and pull right behind me. We're going to have a great discussion about GrabBag, Audio Magazine or whatever we're calling at this time, but it's going to be a lot of fun. It's a popery of topics. Real tips from Real Runners. This is Clarity on the Trail presented by Tophosi Optics. We're helping you see the path ahead, more clearly with listener-submitted gold and to class lens technology. Today's to foce clarity on the trail tip came from our text line from Doug S. His recovery tip is the always downs of protein drink right after his runs and then a high protein balanced meal within 90 minutes. We'll be sending Doug a pair of the to foce optics new sink toum SL sunglasses for sharing his knowledge with our tribe. And why do we say clarity on the trail? Tophosis lenses are premium lenses and they don't destroy your optics and they don't get scratched easily like the cheaper sunglasses. Bonus points for being lightweight and they don't bounce around. And you're a little more fashionable on the trail too, Don, with the toposioticptics sunglasses. Now, you too can win a pair of these new sanctum SL glasses by sharing your

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War and joining us. One of our first guests that we ever had on the very first year of Trail Reiner Nation back in 2011, 2012 was a friend, he became a friend. He wasn't a friend then, but he became a friend, Warren Paul. And we were just chatting with him over the last couple of weeks and we thought, it's been a while. We need to bring Warren back on. And so we thought, what can we talk about? And it's been a while since we've done a TRN audio magazine. And because Warren thinks very quickly on his feet and is a good writer and orator, we thought this would be a perfect topic. Did I get that right, Don? I think you hit the nail on the head there, Scott. We're just happy to have Warren come back. We didn't realize in order to talk to him, we had to create a podcast episode. And so, this is as much for us as it is for the audience. And we've absorbed

the cost despite the tariffs from the UK to the United States for podcasting, we've absorbed the cost. It's still free to listen to. Oh, nice. Good. How did you manage that? Scott, that was some great negotiation. I worked with the US Department of, I don't know, of trade. Yeah. Whatever it is Anyway, welcome back Warren. How have you been? I have been great, but I am all the better for seeing you guys. I don't feel old at all when you mentioned that our original podcast was 2012. I still, if we would go to that meet cute moment to use that horrific movie phrase, I still remember

the moment I was driving my van. I was somewhere in Leicestershire. It was, I was into this ultra running thing. Didn't seem that that many people were. It was pretty new over here then. I said, I'm wondering if one of these podcasts is about running and I found you guys and it was raining and I was listening to it in my van as I drove through Leicestershire. don't ask me what I was doing there I don't remember and there you were and I

thought maybe I'll drop these guys in line and look what happens. Here we are. For those who haven't gone back to the 755 at previous episodes and they don't know who Warren Polis, Don, you and I are going to try to explain who Warren is. And then we're gonna get an editorial from Warren if we were right or not. So it is true. Warren reached out to us way back at the very beginning and he came on Warren is an ultra runner. He's an endurance athlete. Back when we met him, he was a journalist. And I don't know if some of those videos are still out there

Do you still have those on your website?

Warren poll.net.com. Whatever that is that is long gone

Yeah, I was in the transition from journalist writing about health and human performance into

What became my business today of natural sports nutrition around the time we met. It was all the catalyst for all of it was running a long way and then realizing I didn't feel very well with everything I was eating and wondering why everyone else then felt the same and not off we went. That website which was to do with my former career as a journalist doesn't exist exist anymore. It's gone. And they were entertaining videos, as I remember. I mean, they took you in a pie throwing contest, where if they hit you in the face with a pie, something would happen. I know this about Warren. He rode motorcycles and competitively and with a lot of skill, both on road and round tracks. Is that true, Warren? That is completely true. That is another former story. I don't ride motorbikes anymore, but that was a huge obsession and an early career that gave me the opportunities to be a semi-professional racer for a few years as well. Another thing, I'm just going to throw things at they're coming out in this guy

because you push the button to do that.

I was introduced to the term Jelae from Warn. Jelae. Jelae. I don't have it quite right? I'm still learning. Warn, what is it? Jelae. You know, I nearly got my UTMB G-Late just for this

because as G-Late is like, think like a fleece

but someone cut the arms off,

it's a semi-useless garment basically.

But... the MbGle just for this because as Gle is like, think like a fleece, but someone cut the arms off. It's a semi-useless garment, basically, but the UTMB gave them out as a finisher. Think of a Western States buckle. If you finish UTMB, you got at the time, a bright turquoise Gle, which was the defining element and my life was a desire to earn one of those for several years, which I finally did. And that's a gilae. And I will throw something out that has become an iconic term on trail runner nation. And it came from Warren Poll. It's a strategy when running a race. And it's called running with the mayor. Tell us about the origin of running with the mayor and how that is a strategy for running a race, Warren. Running with the mayor, that was the UTMB. And I was running it in, I guess, almost to be around 2011, something like that. And I did not want to blow up. I did not want to let ego get in the way. It's a really long way. And so I just set off steady. I partly going, I set off steady. And basically the UTMB funnels into a bottleneck where you leave the road and go into the trail. It's a round lezouche, I think, which is towards the beginning,

where it's right at the beginning of the course.

So as you run out of Shamini,

you're gonna come to this bottleneck. You can either be a superstar and nail it at the front. What's I'm gonna do that? There's like two or two thousand of runners in there or you can get right at the back just kind of get there after it's gone because it's a long enough day to get back.

So there I was mining my own business taking it easy going out of Shamini and when I looked

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