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Right, hello, this is Jenny Claire speaking and I've got Judith Holder with me.

Well, don't sound surprised. Well, no, it's Judith Holder with you, but it's a lovely surprise,

Judith. Sometimes a technology might let us down and I might not, Daisy might not be able

to connect us and it's all going to turn to mush now. Listen, just before we press play,

before Daisy press play, we're not allowed to touch buttons anymore, obviously.

Of course we're not. I can't even do the buttons up on our cards.

It's probably, you know, I've been out quite a few times and I've been out for a while.

We're in the Velcro, yeah, that way, soon. Yeah.

Yeah, Judith, just before Daisy press play, you sounded very tired and I kind of

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