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0:00.8	Welcome to the Healing Broken Trust podcast. I'm Morgan Robinson.
0:03.8	And I'm Brad Robinson. And today we have a topic that everyone needs to hear.
0:09.2	If you've listened to the episode called Why Do We Fight or Avoid Difficult Topics,
0:14.8	you are introduced to the concept of negative cycles. And this episode will take that to the next level. So I'm excited that you
0:24.1	hear, sit back, get your popcorn. Let's talk about this. We want to start by telling you about
0:30.1	some research conducted in 1990. But first, we want to mention that we have workshops and
0:36.6	intensives and other ways to get help from someone you know and trust. That's us.
0:41.6	So visit our website at healingbroken trust.com. That's healing broken trust.com. Okay. So let's jump into the research, Brad.
0:50.8	Would you like to me to go ahead and talk about it first? Okay. So in 1990, researchers asked
0:58.8	individuals to share personal stories from their lives in which they still had an ongoing
1:04.1	personal relationship with someone to this day that they had angered. And then they were also asked about a time. So the same person was also
1:14.3	asked about a time that they made someone else very angry, deeply angry at them. So the researchers
1:21.0	were brilliant and that they used the same person, this is important, the same person to furnish
1:26.6	both victim and perpetrator
1:29.0	narratives for their findings. Because it, you know, important thing and why it's important is
1:34.1	because it rules out explanations that treat victims and perpetrators as different kinds of people.
1:40.6	Instead, you know, instead of how we often feel in a perpetrator victim situation it's based on a role we play
1:48.9	in the interaction so um there would be no ability really to label a person as psychopath or narcissistic
1:56.2	because it's the same person giving both accounts both the victim account and the perpetrator account.
2:01.4	So victims and perpetrators are not different kinds of people, rather we're the same people
2:06.7	who see things differently depending on whether we are the victim or in the perpetrator role.
2:13.9	So in the victim role or the perpetrator role. And, you know, we talk about it as
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