I am drawing what the account says happen. Again, not what I think happens, much more of a skeptic.

So if there is a giant that appears on a barn, it will be a giant on the barn, and not Joseph

Senior addressed up on the barn, for instance. Or if there's a ghost, there's a ghost on that kind of thing.

So I love it because I just found as I stitched all these stories together, it really made a compelling

narrative. Eventually we come out to each other, we trade notes, and realized that there's a lot

of history we didn't realize that was super fascinating. But also, we kind of went through backward,

like we walked away, and then we went to our angry phase, and then we're coming back out of that,

you know, like years later, we're like, oh, okay, you know, let's learn to enjoy, you know,

constructively deal with modernism, I guess. And that's how I decided to do it was I started to fall

in love with the folklore, tales, and the treasure digging creatures. I loved all the books,

but I know that's not for everybody, and so I was like, how can I contribute to the conversation?

And Sally, she, I like to say, you know, she inadvertently started morbidism, because the story is

that, you know, he went to go get a serious stone by using her stone. I had a sketchbook as I was

reading it, how it kind of be sketching the stuff out. You know, we started talking about,

we're like, these kind of cool to see, like, you know, people, it's one thing to read it,

but to see something, it's just, it's very striking, striking, striking. I ended up like, you know,

taking a book of Mormon and like cutting out some of those, uh, hieroglyphic pages, you know,

that facsimiles, and I like folded them up and put them in a little box, and that I had made in

school, I think, and then I cut a hole in my wall and put it in there, because I thought,

someday someone will open this wall and they'll find this thing, and we'll convert them to Mormonism,

you know, that's awesome. Yeah, so I hope my parents never listened to this episode, because I

like plastered back over the wall, and it's not a very good job, so.

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