Hi, this is Josh Marshall. This is the Josh Marshall podcast.

I'm here with my colleague David Tainter.

Hey there, Josh. Hey, how you doing?

Good, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. I'm,. I'm I'm I was away for a few days. I was in Vermont

I was picking up my son from camp is his second second year of camp away for four weeks.

So, a classic, classic, you know, kind of Northeast camp thing

with on a lake and all that canoeing

and all that kind of stuff.

So that's fun.

And got away for a few days,

just take a little kind of mini break.

And so today we have something, you know,

pretty different from our normal fair.

Some of you may be familiar with this podcast and if you're not I really recommend checking

it out called the Internet History

Podcast and it's hosted by a guy named Brian McCullough and that is a

podcast that is about as you'd expect the history of the Internet and yeah

and goes into just sort of interviews people

who are part of that history and and I am I was humbled to be asked to do an interview because TPM is part of the early history of blogging and all that kind of stuff.

It's hard to believe you're staring down like the 20th anniversary of the summer. of So anyway, I did this interview a little while back and when we agreed to do it, we sort of arranged

that we would be able to publish the interview ourselves as part of our podcast.

So the interview we're going to hear also appeared on the Internet History

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