Hi, this is Josh Marshall, and this is the Josh Marshall podcast.

Today we are going to talk with Cass Sunstein.

Cass is a professor at Harvard University.

He is one of the most quoted sort of formative sort of legal scholars, public intellectuals

in of scholars, public intellectuals in recent decades. He also served in the Obama administration,

I think for most of the first term, and he has a book out about impeachment.

It's called impeachment, a citizens guide, and unlike a lot of books out about impeachment

now, which are sort of briefs in one direction or you know kind

of like Alan Dershowitz ninth book about why impeachment absolutely sucks and is

you know under no circumstances at all reasonable for Donald Trump and

obviously a lot of anti-Trump books about impeachment.

This book presents itself as looking at the history of why there is this thing impeachment

and why is it there?

Why is it in the Constitution? you know Constitution has it has a a passage in it that basically says you're going to do a census every 10 years right it doesn't say it like as a as a suggestion or something like that. It's one of be a good idea to do that. Yeah, it's one of these just sort of absolute

things. There's going to be a census every 10 years and that's going to be the

the basis the sort of the root from which the federal representation is derived from.

And with impeachment you have this phrase high crimes and misdemeanors which from you know contemporary 21st century English

like high crimes isn't a thing.

Like we don't, you know, there's, there's, we have felonies and we have, uh,

misdemeanor is the thing obviously, but yeah.

But it's sort of the reverse, you know, because people talk about misdemeanors,

like, as like a moving violation or something, you know, people talk about misdemeanors like it's like a moving

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