This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altiger show on the Stansbury Radio Network.

This is James Altiger. I'm very happy to be here with Sam Harris, author of Waking Up,

a Guide to Spirituality Without Religion.

Sam, you've done like a million things though actually.

Like you're a neuroscientist, you're a philosopher.

You seem to get into a lot of arguments with very famous people all the time.

And you've also wrote a big essay about lying.

I'm sure I'm missing other things.

You travel all around the world studying spirituality and meditation and all sorts of things.

How's it going?

It's going well. It's colorful at the moment.

I don't know if you've been following my recent collisions, but yeah, it's been an odd book tour,

which I'm just winding down.

But thank you for talking to me. It's a pleasure to be here.

Let me ask you about that. I do want to get into my main goal is I want to get people a feeling of how they can use the lessons you learn from waking up to improve their lives.

But I am very curious about during the process of this book tour, obviously you've gotten into a lot of fights.

And maybe like just what happened like so so so Ben Affleck on the Bill Marshall was like yelling at you.

What what happened there?

Well, you know, I don't actually know what happened there.

What would fully accounts for it. I know I know what it's effects were, but the reality was, you know, I came on to the panel on that show,

which if your listeners don't know, is there's a mid panel interview. There's a panel of three people and there's a mid panel interview where someone comes out and gets a protected five to seven minutes of interview time with with Bill and then it gets opened up to the rest of the panel.

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