This isn't your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altitor show on the Stansbury Radio Network.

So, I'm here with Dave Berg, author of Behind the Kern, an insider's view of Jay Leno's

Tonight Show. Dave, how long did you work for Jay Leno?

I've worked for Jay for 18 years.

18 years and the book tells, I read the book, it's all about the highs and lows during

those 18 years. I don't know if I could ever work for someone for 18 straight years.

Like why did you, I mean I'm sure it was an enjoyable, exciting experience but it seems

like a lot of work to put together a daily Tonight Show, the most famous show in the world.

Sure, but you know you have to understand over time you actually become, I know this

is sounds right in everything but when you work with somebody for a long time you actually

become sort of like family with them, even if you don't like them, you're just so used

to them, not only your colleagues that you work with but the guests that were booked

on the show. So there was that aspect to it and also it offered a rare opportunity for

anyone in the entertainment community. It was a stable place to work, how many people

can in any business can say I had a 18 year stretch and I could have gone 22 to a five

at one and I think.

Yeah, I mean you, you know and I'm going to ask you because the Tonight Show was sort

of this seminal show for it defined television ever since, but I mean before Carson with Ed

Sullivan with everything, you know you were there with Jay through all of his ups and downs

his fights with the networks. What was the hardest part about producing the show?

I think the hardest part was, I mean you know honestly it's not that easy to come up with

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