As someone that struggles with depression and anxiety, I'm not an innately happy person.

It's not something that comes naturally to me.

And that's because my parents were able to not normalize sadness for us,

but make us comfortable with sadness, okay?

Because I think that's a huge thing in our world.

We're supposed to be happy all the time.

Right.

And so my normal is usually, it's not about happiness.

It's not about sadness either, but I don't really know where it lies.

Yeah.

So I'm here today to talk to you guys about joy.

Yeah. I'm here today to talk to you guys about joy. You're listening to God Hears Her, a podcast for women, where we explore the stunning truth that God hears you,

he sees you, and he loves you because you are his.

Find out how these realities free you today on God Hears Her.

Welcome to God Hears Her. I'm Melissa Morgan. And I'm Aaron Eddy. The topic of joy is often

talked about with an emphasis that we choose joy or find joy. But what does that actually mean?

Are those phrases true?

Or do phrases like choose joy put pressure on people to somehow become happy in the midst

of rather unjoyful circumstances?

Today we're talking to our very own podcast producer, Mary Jo Clark.

Mary Jo is loved by everyone she meets and is such an amazing person to be around. Honest, she's always the best at being intentional

in conversation with people and making them feel heard. Outside her passion for creating

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