You're listening to this'm here with Karina. Hi,

this Naked Mind podcast and I'm here with Karina.

Hi Karina, how are you?

Pretty good. Hi, Annie. So excited to be here. So good to see you. So why don't you take us kind of back to the beginning in your relationship with alcohol? Where did it all start for you? So it started when I was 13 years old I had my first

hangover and I was drunk. I had drank rum and

rum and Coke, which I remember being drinking and saying I will never ever drink this again and I never did.

Just rum and coke. Not drink. But you probably think it was like I was in Lima, Peru and like I said I was 13 years old, but to take you back a little bit from there, I was born here in the States in Colorado and my mom is

Peruvian. My dad was American and he passed away when we were kids small. And at some point I guess my mom decided I'm just going to go back to

Peru where she was from where she felt comfortable, her language. And she moved my sister and I, my sister is above years older than I am, and we moved to Peru. I was nine years old.

So I just remember moving there. I understood Spanish, but English was not I mean Spanish was not my first language. I did not speak it. So I moved there. It was culturally a whole shock. It was everything in Spanish. I was put in a school, everything writing, reading. I mean, they had an English class which I obviously aced but it was about six

months that I really I don't think I barely talked. So that's really uncomfortable

How I had to learn and of course you know kids learn languages and that's that's great so it was fine after six months a year. It was good, but I always felt like I didn't fit in. I didn't have, I always said it was hard for me at school, especially math, and I would say in particular math, at that time I didn't know, but I always blamed because it was more advanced, math was more advanced there or but years after I realized that I was dyslexic.

So that was the reason why I probably didn't,

you know, was good at math or a lot of the subjects, but, but yeah, I always felt out of my element, like I didn't belong there.

So I remember finally when I was about 14 years old,

we decided to move back to the States.

But how I got drunk at 13 is still a mystery. I don't know where we went to a party and alcohol is very in Peru and I think for most of South America, but at that time this was in the early 90s.

People just could go to the store, I could go to the store at 13 and buy drinks.

We would have people would graduate from high school

that would have proms, but they have like pre-prom,

free pre-prom.

So, but at that age, you would go to these parties and there would be beer, I think beer, it was mainly beer and wine on the table and everybody would drink and then you

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